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Offline Mystaria  
#41 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2015 1:57:54 AM(UTC)
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#42 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2015 1:16:20 PM(UTC)
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Thank You Joy!!  It's good to see the developments happening. shame it's been going on so long tho!:( and that it took so long to see! xoxoxo 



It takes such a long time for the wheels of the law to turn, but they are making headway. 


Here's the site for the project if you'd like to know more about it:

http://www.nonhumanrightsproject.org/about-the-project-2/​

I think it's a fantastic project. 





Forgot to add that I think this article on the site mentioned above is interesting:

Why ‘Animal Rights’ Is a Contradiction in Terms

http://www.nonhumanrightsproject.org/2013/03/23/why-animal-rights-is-a-contradiction-in-terms/

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#43 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2015 1:50:58 PM(UTC)
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Ps although i am not vegetarian or vegan. i hope to be one someday. it's just not in my budget to allow me to do so. hasn't been as long as i have been a fan. I think animals were meant to be put on this earth for us to live off  of and survive from.. but i think with proper treatment and proper diet. it would be a better place. and they wouldn't be treated so inhumanely. 



What is it about a vegetarian diet that you've never been able to afford? 


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see Vegetarians who eat chicken and fish. and I have to wonder why do they still call themselves vegetarians? Chicken is still meat, and fish is poultry!! it's still an animal you're eating dude!!:) xoxoxo just some thoughts


I couldn't agree more! But... fish is poultry?   Oh, do you mean fish is 'chicken of the sea'? 

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#44 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2015 2:30:24 PM(UTC)
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I think the bottom line for me that is killing and eating other creatures just isn't necessary to survive as a human. A human can still live a full and active life without eating animals (and therefore depriving another creature of life).



On the whole, I agree with you, admin, especially for those of us who are fortunate and privileged enough to live in the so called 'first world'. 


Personally, I think we, as a human race, have reached a point in our evolution where not eating animals is the next step. 



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Eating animals is only really done because people like it. So, ultimately it's a choiceIn nature some animals eat other animals, some don't, both happily survive.


Or cultural. 

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Let's hope one day they put meat in all cigarettes, then Joaquin will be forced to quit



Someone will probably just invent a veggie meat-substitute cigarette. 
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#45 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2015 2:37:57 PM(UTC)
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Sex sells everything these days. 





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#46 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2015 3:42:15 PM(UTC)
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Yes it does. and if it's anything that works with what Joaquin stands for and works for, It sells even more;) lol xoxox
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#47 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 12:34:13 AM(UTC)
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^ That's right! Lol. 



Thought you might have overlooked this, so reposting.

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Ps although i am not vegetarian or vegan. i hope to be one someday. it's just not in my budget to allow me to do so. hasn't been as long as i have been a fan. I think animals were meant to be put on this earth for us to live off  of and survive from.. but i think with proper treatment and proper diet. it would be a better place. and they wouldn't be treated so inhumanely. 



What is it about a vegetarian diet that you've never been able to afford? 


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see Vegetarians who eat chicken and fish. and I have to wonder why do they still call themselves vegetarians? Chicken is still meat, and fish is poultry!! it's still an animal you're eating dude!!:) xoxoxo just some thoughts


I couldn't agree more! But... fish is poultry?   Oh, do you mean fish is 'chicken of the sea'? 

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#48 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 2:20:39 AM(UTC)
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Can't afford anything. it's an expensive lifestyle. the place that really sells vegetarian/vegan food is wholefoods and that's the most expensive place to shop for groceries. A friend of mine went shopping there that he posted once. i said don't spend too much he laughed and said thanks for the tip lol!!:)
yes fish is the "Chicken of the Sea" lol. I was wondering why they think it's ok to eat Chicken and fish. i dont think it is cos even tho it's not red meat its still an animal that you're eating.
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#49 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 6:33:15 AM(UTC)
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Can't afford anything. it's an expensive lifestyle. the place that really sells vegetarian/vegan food is wholefoods and that's the most expensive place to shop for groceries. A friend of mine went shopping there that he posted once. i said don't spend too much he laughed and said thanks for the tip lol!!:)

You can't buy fruit & veg, rice, pasta, beans, lentils, dairy, bread, nuts, etc, in the regular supermarkets or markets? I find that hard to believe. Maybe if you think you have to replace the meat in your diet with meat-like substitutes or ready-made meals and take aways you will find the diet expensive, but you can eat very well and quite cheaply without those kinds of substitutes. I don't think it's an expensive lifestyle at all. In fact, I know it's not an expensive lifestyle and so do a lot of other people. Just requires some planning and a bit of effort and the will to do it.   

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yes fish is the "Chicken of the Sea" lol. I was wondering why they think it's ok to eat Chicken and fish. i dont think it is cos even tho it's not red meat its still an animal that you're eating.


I don't know why either. Maybe it's something to do with the amount of legs an animal has?   I agree with you though, although I don't spend any time being bothered by it. 

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#50 Posted : Monday, April 27, 2015 8:54:15 AM(UTC)
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i think it's cos of the red vs. white meat issue. Of why they think it's ok to eat the chicken & fish and not other meat. 

Thanks Joy. I know some of the stuff you have mentioned you can buy there. but not everything.. I have vegetables with our dinner at times.. as much as we can. love rice and beans too!:)
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#51 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:34:14 AM(UTC)
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Maybe that's it then, Mystaria. You'll have to ask next time you meet someone who says they are veggie but eats fish & poultry. 


I want to talk about almonds and veganism next time. 



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#52 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:44:07 AM(UTC)
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ok, let's talk about them:)
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#53 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:45:24 AM(UTC)
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Another time, when I've gathered my thoughts coherently. 
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#54 Posted : Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:56:28 AM(UTC)
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K looking forward to it:) xoxox
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#55 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:06:27 AM(UTC)
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The almonds and veganism will have to wait for another day.




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Nothing to do with  PETA, but I thought it was an interesting piece of news about animal welfare. This story has been going on for some time but there have been developments recently.


US judge grants 'human rights' to a pair of laboratory chimpanzees being held at biomedical research facility in landmark case



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-judge-grants-human-rights-to-a-pair-of-laboratory-chimpanzees-being-held-at-biomedical-research-facility-in-landmark-case-10193558.html



There have been some developments in this case. A hearing was held in a NY court of law yesterday. Read the full story via the link.

Judge Calls Arguments on Rights of Chimpanzees ‘Extremely Interesting and Well Argued’

May 27, 2015 – New York, NY – At a hearing today in a New York County Supreme Court in Manhattan, the Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP) argued that chimpanzees Hercules and Leo are “autonomous and self-determining beings” who should be issued an order that releases them from the laboratory where they’re being held at Stony Brook University to Save the Chimps sanctuary in Florida.

http://www.nonhumanrightsproject.org/2015/05/27/judge-calls-arguments-on-rights-of-chimpanzees-extremely-interesting-and-well-argued/



The Guardian newspaper has some more info on the arguments presented in court yesterday. 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/27/chimpanzee-animals-rights-new-york-court




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#56 Posted : Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:48:53 PM(UTC)
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Very happy to hear this. thank you for sharing this information Joy xoxox
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#57 Posted : Friday, August 7, 2015 1:51:12 PM(UTC)
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There have been some developments in Leo and Hercules' case.


New York Justice Denies Habeas Corpus Relief for Hercules and Leo Given Precedent Set in Previous Case, ‘For Now’




There is still a sliver of hope... read the article for more info.


http://www.nonhumanright...n-previous-case-for-now/
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